tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post7713009525728031598..comments2023-10-30T06:31:05.501-07:00Comments on MilPub: Bomb, bomb, bomb...bomb, bomb Iraq?FDChiefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-65907757564545557102014-07-01T09:49:02.637-07:002014-07-01T09:49:02.637-07:00Thanks aviator, I had found a source in the meanti...Thanks aviator, I had found a source in the meantime myself:<br />http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.de/2014/06/the-belief-that-war-works.htmlS Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03359796414832859686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-43115794915882042962014-06-30T15:59:23.197-07:002014-06-30T15:59:23.197-07:00Hi Al
I wanted to ask you a question not related t...Hi Al<br />I wanted to ask you a question not related to this post. Could you drop me an e-mail at struela@gmail.com?<br />Hope you're doing fine.fasteddieznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-11030957391589689152014-06-28T13:47:23.541-07:002014-06-28T13:47:23.541-07:00Sven- The Bacevich quote is from a video of a spee...Sven- The Bacevich quote is from a video of a speech he made a while back. He was quoting someone else.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.marshallfoundation.org/Bacevich2012MarshallLecture.htm" rel="nofollow"><i><b>Not long before his untimely death the historian Tony Judt observed that “For many American commentators and policymakers the message of the twentieth century is that war works.”</b></i></a><br /><br />Bacevich went on later to say:<br /><br /><i><b>The belief that war works has not made soldiering per se a popular vocation; Americans prefer war as a spectator sport rather than as a participatory one.</b></i>Aviator47https://www.blogger.com/profile/05585964386930142907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-45901139860273732282014-06-26T11:09:45.899-07:002014-06-26T11:09:45.899-07:00SO -
three posts on AB in the past all by Seydlit...SO -<br /><br />three posts on AB in the past all by Seydlitz -- find his label in the left sidebar -- I do not see anything about -war works- but I did not look in detailikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-13469557877110481362014-06-26T10:41:36.330-07:002014-06-26T10:41:36.330-07:00Question:
It was mentioned as MilPub a couple time...Question:<br />It was mentioned as MilPub a couple times that Bacevich asserts 'America believs that war works'.<br />Do you have a source for this?S Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03359796414832859686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-26489229521968044452014-06-26T09:22:37.135-07:002014-06-26T09:22:37.135-07:00Ranger -
That is not a USAF bare-breasted girl -...Ranger -<br /><br />That is not a USAF bare-breasted girl -- She is RNLAF (ie Holland) the 323rd sguadron -- She has been their logo for years -- And BTW she has been portrayed bare-breasted (or nude) for thousands of years -- ikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-67241950914557042252014-06-25T20:58:47.290-07:002014-06-25T20:58:47.290-07:00seydlitz -
FSA is OK in ^^y book or at least they...seydlitz -<br /><br />FSA is OK in ^^y book or at least they were up until February when Idris left - Dont know yet about the new guy al-Bashir What is not to like about soldiers who refused orders to fire on protestors and therefore desided to desert and oppose the tyrant who ordered the bloodbath They (FSA) had higher ethiks than the Ohio National Guard troops who fired on the Kent State protestors in 1970 <br /><br />Assad is not OK in ^^y book But please do not think that I want US gold and gore to o*erthrow the b@st@rd Not sure why you think so highly of Assad and his allies What is publik opinion Portugalikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-79172291181115150532014-06-25T16:12:21.229-07:002014-06-25T16:12:21.229-07:00jim-
You're way to complicated for me . . . a...jim-<br /><br />You're way to complicated for me . . . are you talking about poontang?seydlitz89https://www.blogger.com/profile/15431952900333460640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-63095616772198804152014-06-25T06:48:32.310-07:002014-06-25T06:48:32.310-07:00BTW All.
I hope that i'm OT:maybe not , but h...BTW All.<br />I hope that i'm OT:maybe not , but here we go.<br />Look at the patch for the DELIBERATE FORCE.<br />Isn't it rather sexist and inappropriate for a sensitive integration of females into the force structure?<br />Is the function of women in the AF to just be there to hang out their breasts.<br />I just think that our patches show our attitudes.<br />jim hruskarangeragainstwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126542922536584950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-31424914687671303242014-06-25T02:07:23.195-07:002014-06-25T02:07:23.195-07:00mike-
If you don't wish to overthrow Assad th...mike-<br /><br />If you don't wish to overthrow Assad then why bring up the FSA? They aren't going to negotiate in good faith, but act rather as a front organization for various foreign interests whose intent is the overthrow of Assad. <br /><br />I was against the Iraq war because I was in active service during the first Gulf War of 1990-91 and knew something of the complexities. Not to mention the massive campaign of lies and distortions perpetrated by the Cheneyites (with the active support of the Israeli govt) followed by the "surging to victory" meme/domestic information op which followed. That's all been laid bear now . . . No one can deny the utter bankruptcy of the neocon dream. The Cheneyites now screaming for intervention should have no voice in any of this . . . but in this dysfunctional political entity of the astrategic spasm, they have the loudest . . .seydlitz89https://www.blogger.com/profile/15431952900333460640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-68611385104529861292014-06-24T19:04:02.264-07:002014-06-24T19:04:02.264-07:00seysdlitz -
I personally do not want to oerthrow ...seysdlitz -<br /><br />I personally do not want to oerthrow Assad and as far as I know neither does the US goernent \\\ <br /><br />And I did not want to oerthrow Libya or Irak either<br /><br />Perhaps you are thinking of the Bushistas and Saudis and Kataris<br /><br />ikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-86488656758615191072014-06-24T15:35:24.326-07:002014-06-24T15:35:24.326-07:00Ok, mike . . .Ok, mike . . .seydlitz89https://www.blogger.com/profile/15431952900333460640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-81799255519741344862014-06-24T15:33:45.781-07:002014-06-24T15:33:45.781-07:00Ike-
FSA? They were never going to overthrow Ass...Ike-<br /><br />FSA? They were never going to overthrow Assad. The FSA, simply a ramshackle front group for powerful non-Syrian interests? <br /><br />Syria is perhaps the most oppressive Arab state . . . has been for some time. But it functions and more or less protects the non-Sunni communities. After the Cheneyite adventure in Iraq, who actually would argue for the overthrow of a Middle East state? Replacing it with what? The next Chalabi? seydlitz89https://www.blogger.com/profile/15431952900333460640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-46571897338027884852014-06-24T11:02:31.979-07:002014-06-24T11:02:31.979-07:00ooops that was mike not ikeooops that was mike not ikemikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-52840134566193887492014-06-24T11:01:20.834-07:002014-06-24T11:01:20.834-07:00Seydlitz -
I am not sure I understand your beef...Seydlitz - <br /><br />I am not sure I understand your beef with the FSA. Obama seems to have given up on them anyway. He is leery that any weapons given to the FSA would be taken forcefully by jihadi groups Probably he is rightfully so As far as I an determine the only support the US and the west gave to the Syrian resistance was helping get rid of Assad's chemical weapons But Assad is still being supplied with arms by Russia - Belarus - CChina - North Korea and Iran<br /><br />And there are many in Syria that believe Assad himself is the one that helped to create a ISIS in order to legitimize his claims that all the Syrian resistance were terrorists See the Newsweek article at: <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631" rel="nofollow">How Syria's Assad Helped Forge ISIS</a><br /><br />sorry for the typos - y keyboard is toast (literally I suspet a precocious 5-year-old granddaughter has been using the laptop to surf for Dora and Lalaloopsy while eating breakfast)<br /><br />ikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-42508371144578424642014-06-24T10:22:08.435-07:002014-06-24T10:22:08.435-07:00jim-
The Russians support the current Syrian gove...jim-<br /><br />The Russians support the current Syrian government, that is the status quo. They have a long history in Syria and a naval base there. They are not attempting to de-stabilize the region, but support a regime with whom they have extensive ties . . .seydlitz89https://www.blogger.com/profile/15431952900333460640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-88580869787565965002014-06-24T10:16:54.071-07:002014-06-24T10:16:54.071-07:00Probably, but a lot smaller and a lot less dangero...Probably, but a lot smaller and a lot less dangerous for the region. The Alawite regime was never particularly stable, and between the turbulence in Iraq and Lebanon and the stress of having constant strife with Israel I'm kind of surprised it lasted this long.FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-74711308842602441972014-06-24T10:14:51.426-07:002014-06-24T10:14:51.426-07:00Not possible, Lisa. Too many geopolitical and econ...Not possible, Lisa. Too many geopolitical and economic connections there, including our Israeli "pals", who would scream like a wounded eagle if we "extricated ourselves now".<br /><br />The U.S. is and will be involved there. But it'd be nicer if we'd be smarter.FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-58033004456883783272014-06-24T06:15:18.548-07:002014-06-24T06:15:18.548-07:00seydlitz,4;07,
Don't forget thhe Russians.
Hav...seydlitz,4;07,<br />Don't forget thhe Russians.<br />Have you ever heard the song-THE ENVOY by Warren Zevon?<br />jim hruskarangeragainstwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126542922536584950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-6508229283187823352014-06-24T04:07:41.583-07:002014-06-24T04:07:41.583-07:00US "support" would be to stop supporting...US "support" would be to stop supporting the Syrian rebels. Would there even still be a civil war in Syria without outside (that is especially Saudi, Israeli, Turkish, Gulf State, US, UK) support?seydlitz89https://www.blogger.com/profile/15431952900333460640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-21025828249928837452014-06-23T20:02:15.552-07:002014-06-23T20:02:15.552-07:00Assad gets arms and support from Russia and Iran -...Assad gets arms and support from Russia and Iran - plus boots-on-the-ground support from Hezbollah so why would he want US support? He is doing very well without us, which is why ISIS went east to Iraq. <br /><br />We should listen to and pay heed to the UN Secretary General - though his proposed resolution will not pass the US needs to still abide by it. Ban is against airstrikes on ISIS in Irak also<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-15730335065589394772014-06-23T19:54:01.323-07:002014-06-23T19:54:01.323-07:00Well...this discussion is pretty much moot. The U...Well...this discussion is pretty much moot. The U.S. "strategy" appears to be to irritate as many people in the region as possible for the least return; airdrop a couple of hundred spare O-4s into Baghdad with a bagfull of Army Achievement Medals and some used oporders from Tal Afar back in 2007.<br /><br />The Iranians are pissed off ("Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei accused Washington of "seeking an Iraq under its hegemony and ruled by its stooges". says the BBC), the Jordanians are getting strapped, and the fucking IA is doing it's best impression of the ARVN in 1975. What a goatscrew.<br /><br />I swear; sometimes I think my country would have a hard time organizing a child's birthday party...FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-12176021792591599242014-06-23T19:47:59.156-07:002014-06-23T19:47:59.156-07:00What the hell these "advisors" are going...What the hell these "advisors" are going to do that a smart Iranian major couldn't I have no idea. But I honestly don't see this as more than ass-covering. This is Obama's way of doing nothing while saying he's not doing nothing.<br /><br />And this war's been simmering for some time now, Lisa. The Iraq resistance was part of it, as was the feud between the Afghan Taliban and Iran.<br /><br />The difference is that the Wars of Religion were waged by the superpowers of their day. Spain, France, the Holy Roman Empire, the Papacy...all had power projection into Germany that none of the current Islamic nations has today in the region. I don't disagree that we'll see more of these ISlamic "wars of religion" but doubt that they will ever rise to the level of "Thirty Year's War" just because of that..FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-39335253021068772472014-06-23T19:43:13.120-07:002014-06-23T19:43:13.120-07:00If Israel is an "ally" we need to redefi...If Israel is an "ally" we need to redefine the word. Israel as an "ally" is like the "friend" that takes you to the bar, gets drunk, picks on the biggest redneck in the joint and then points to you and slurs "My frien' here's gonna kick yur azz..."<br /><br />Israel is a pain in the butt, Lisa. Nice little country, pretty girls and scenery (in a deserty sort of way), tough sonsofbitches, but we need Israel like a fish needs a fucking bicycle. Whether or not the goddamn Arabs would be at each others' throats without it is immaterial. The fact is that everyone who knew the region told Truman that he was screwing that pooch. He did and now we're stuck with it. But Israel is Israel's ally, and only Israel's ally; ask any of the poor bastards on the USS Liberty how good our Israeli pals take care of us.<br /><br />I'm not saying that we should just dump 'em like yesterday's trash. But supporting Israel unquestioningly has an immense price in the Middle East and using pretty words like "democratic ally" just elides that fact. They are democratic (of a sort - ask a secular Israeli how much they enjoy the voting patterns of the Ultraorthodox) and they are a sort of remora-ish ally. But we've paid and pay a hell of a high price for that relationship and if we want it we should be honest and accept that price and quit bitching about "why do they hate us"? They hate us for the same reason that they hated the goddamn Crusader States in 1150, duh!FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-73788708724314019202014-06-23T15:39:55.228-07:002014-06-23T15:39:55.228-07:00seydlitz,
Sorry ... I didn't recognize your r...seydlitz,<br /><br />Sorry ... I didn't recognize your rhetorical nature ;)rangeragainstwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126542922536584950noreply@blogger.com