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I've known soldiers that i'd cons...Charlie,<br />I've known soldiers that i'd consider to be sociopaths or psyco killers. They were around only for the thrill of killing people.But then we're back to your contention that they're mentally defective, but institutionally they are on the mark. From this what do we conclude.?Why waste words.<br />I believe we walk more comfortably with destruction than with truth/love and beauty. Man has a mighty thin veneer of persona and personality.<br />I only mentioned this b/c of your cmt.<br />I read your medical update with optimistic thoughts for you.<br />Dahmer was the more truthful of the pair.<br />jimjim at rangerhttp://rangeragainstwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-44695967621270218582010-01-15T10:06:15.443-08:002010-01-15T10:06:15.443-08:00Jim,
If someone is breathing, it's either bec...Jim,<br /><br />If someone is breathing, it's either because they want to, or because they don't have the physical or mental competence to commit suicide. A sport is something we do because we enjoy it and it enhances our lives, pretty much by definition. The Romans thought it was great sport to feed people to hungry carnivores, or have people fight to the death for entertainment.<br /><br />Why would anyone water-board someone 180 times?<br /><br />Only because demonstrating how superior his life is to theirs is such a rush.<br /><br />As for the guards at Gitmo or Auschwitz, they were at least confused. From a systems analysis perspective, a bug is bug, and the consequences of confusion or negligence can be worse than than those of insanity. George Bush killed a lot more people than Jeffrey Dahmer did, but they both got a rush doing it.<br /><br />Whatever a persons motivations may be, they always reflect the concerns of their own life. Why else would a soldier obey orders or even be a soldier in the first place?Charles Gittingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669296162762355112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-12381592487447531492010-01-15T09:14:08.323-08:002010-01-15T09:14:08.323-08:00Publius,
Here is the latest one (see item 5 at th...Publius,<br /><br />Here is the latest one (see item 5 at the bottom).<br /><br />http://www.pegc.us/_UPDATES_/PEGC_20100105_update.txt<br /><br />Looks like I just forgot to put you on the PEGC email list, which has been corrected. But that's also the only one I've sent out since I talked to you. Treatment was really tedious and really boring, and the radiation fatigue really took over big time. You wind up spending most of your time sleeping, watching TV, and struggling to keep up with all the trivial details of appointments, prescriptions, meals, and diverse symptoms that advance and recede and interact with each other. You get tired of thinking about it, let alone boring your friends and family with it. Some of the symptoms were unpleasant, but in my case they weren't horrible. The fatigue was the worst, I guess the radiation burns were the ickiest (but healed in a couple of weeks), but the ones that have been most persistent are digestive and vocal problems caused by the cancer as distinct from the treatment, and those are both better though still there. The fatigue is mostly gone now.<br /><br />It is what it is. My MRI looked good and I'm having a PET scan next week. If that's OK, the expectation is that we just keep an eye on things for awhile. This stuff is very hard to predict because there are so many things that can go haywire in so many different ways.<br /><br />But I've regained some weight, and was feeling good enough to write that new brief (which was even harder than the first one five years ago in some ways). I'm better than I was a year ago, and that better than some of the alternative. The worst thing about this crap is that everything is so unknown and unfamiliar.Charles Gittingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669296162762355112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-39657823675011591292010-01-15T04:35:09.354-08:002010-01-15T04:35:09.354-08:00Charlie,
I can't agree that all human beings c...Charlie,<br />I can't agree that all human beings care about life unless they are mentally defective or dead.<br />If you look around , and if you look at your efforts in the last 8 years, you are fighting something that is not humanistic and it comes from us as well as from any external source.<br />Nobody ever claimed that the guards at Auschwitz or Gitmo were mentally defective.<br />I served in a unit where killing people was a major sport and i never saw a shrink giving classes on touchy ,feely stuff. None of us were called mentally defective and many loved the trip.<br />Just sayin'.<br />jim<br /><br /><br /><br />jimjim at rangerhttp://rangeragainstwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-88258983887344692002010-01-14T20:46:06.374-08:002010-01-14T20:46:06.374-08:00Charly, you're really a piece of work. God ble...Charly, you're really a piece of work. God bless you.<br /><br />BTW, what happened to the email updates? As I've told you, I'd like to be in the loop.<br /><br />My best always.Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06189226852559033120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-2537751750927498752010-01-13T19:45:31.724-08:002010-01-13T19:45:31.724-08:00{PART 2}
"When I say that a society of peopl...{PART 2}<br /><br /><i>"When I say that a society of people have no regard for human life, I do mean it I have seen it, they really exist no matter how much your liberal sensitivities don't want them to. They care about their own life, of course, and that of their family, tribe, clan, etc. But they don't care about yours or anyone else's that stand in their way of achieving their individual goals. [etc} </i><br /><br />[SIGH] In short, they are people exactly like you are, and human sub-cultures exactly like ours. I repeat once again: there's only one network.<br /><br /><i>"No Charly, I am not a bigot for saying that."</i><br /><br />Well it's a prejudiced, bigoted thing to say. I do get that you often say things without really understanding what you are saying, but I use a simple definition of bigotry --<br /><br />To regard another person as a thing, an animal (as distinct from a human), or an inferior being.<br /><br />This does not refer to objective measurements of individual performance: different individuals perform differently at different tasks. It's about making judgments on the basis of personal characteristics like race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.<br /><br />To claim that someone doesn't value life is to claim that they are inhuman in the same way a hungry tiger or a frightened rattlesnake is.<br /><br /><i>"Yes, people are people. Our DNA is the same, however, genetics only accounts for a portion of our behavior.[etc]"</i><br /><br />Oh sure, but you're missing something; language and culture both have genetic properties that function a lot like DNA, only the engine driving the mechanism isn't the random recombination of genes, it's the particular choices and experiences of people and sub-cultures. Equally, you have insufficient information to make such judgments. You have a much more objective evidence about the people you work for, yet you ignore that out of DoD clan loyalty.<br /><br /><i>"Claiming that these people are "different" is not being a bigot. It is an observation based on observed facts. I fully understand my biases and when I make these observations, I take efforts to counter my biases."</i><br /><br />It's not about being different. There are @ 6.5 billion people on the planet, no two of them are alike, and no one is the same from one minute to the next. It's a given that people are different.<br /><br /><i>"Not liking someone because of their association with an organization or group of people, not liking someone because of an image that you've built in your head based on preconceived notions and a purely subjective view of their comments..."</i><br /><br />Re-read my definition. There's nothing subjective about observing that someone is a member of a criminal enterprise, or listening to what someone says. We judge literally everything by preconceived notions -- they're called "concepts".Charles Gittingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669296162762355112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-86420667528683123262010-01-13T19:44:28.043-08:002010-01-13T19:44:28.043-08:00bg,
You're welcome. Would you like to be add...bg, <br /><br />You're welcome. Would you like to be added to the PEGC distribution list? If so, send me an email.<br /><br />And here's my reply...<br /><br /><i>(you are about as combative as anyone I've ever met, and coming from the<br />warmongering group I work with, that is quite a statement)</i><br /><br />Well I started out as a Chess player. Told some of the story to the Talking Dog...<br /><br />http://thetalkingdog.com/archives2/001328.html<br /><br />I've been working on my project for EIGHT solid years, more than full time. You have no idea how seriously I take this stuff. This is a WAR, remember?<br /><br /><br /><i>Do you really believe that I don't care about human life? As evidence by my actions, which you have never seen and only imagine based on limited online discussions and your own personal bias against those like me? </i><br /><br />No: I know you're a human being, and all humans care about life unless they are mentally defective or dead. <br /><br /><i>"You would make a great politician."</i><br /><br />Heh. I'm no politician. I'd be a better O-10. I'm even available if you guys ever decide to get serious. =:DCharles Gittingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669296162762355112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-74396340799859789372010-01-13T17:44:03.247-08:002010-01-13T17:44:03.247-08:00Thanks for the reading Charly, in all seriousness....Thanks for the reading Charly, in all seriousness. Please keep it up.bgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-24810399948208670062010-01-12T21:46:01.301-08:002010-01-12T21:46:01.301-08:00bg,
You'll find a folder with most of the ca...bg, <br /><br />You'll find a folder with most of the case docs on my website here:<br /><br />http://www.pegc.us/Kiyemba_Merits<br /><br />At the top are three sub-folders...<br /><br />CAD = US Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit<br />Cert = S. Ct. Certiorari phase<br />DDC = US District Court for D.C.<br /><br />Have a look at the Govt appeal in the CAD:<br /><br />http://www.pegc.us/Kiyemba_Merits/CAD/CAD_gov_appeal_20081024.pdf<br /><br />And see the STATEMENT OF THE FACTS starting on page 4. The detainees' view will be found in their CAD Response, their cert. petition, and their merits brief that was filed one week before the amici briefs, all of which are in those folders.<br /><br />As for the rest, I'm too tired to deal with it right now, but I'll say this much:<br /><br />Facts and well-grounded logical inferences are not "subjective opinions".<br /><br />And actually, I do like you -- that's part of why I'm so PISSED OFF.Charles Gittingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669296162762355112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-8412190177766600702010-01-12T19:56:11.291-08:002010-01-12T19:56:11.291-08:00Charly,
I do want to being this post with a quic...Charly, <br /><br />I do want to being this post with a quick statement about your case you posted a link to. Very convincing and disturbing, assuming that these individuals have no evidence against them as you stated, it is very disturbing. Does the government admit that there is no evidence against them? Or is it a case that no sufficient trial has occurred and these guys are being kept in legal limbo? Either way, if there has been no trial or if no evidence exists to hold them to wait for a trial, then I absolutely agree that this situation is unacceptable. I admire your work in this case.<br /><br />Now for the rest of your comments against me. (BTW, you are about as combative as anyone I've ever met, and coming from the warmongering group I work with, that is quite a statement)<br /><br />"how all these defenseless people that we've been murdering and terrorizing the last eight years don't care about life"<br /><br />Nice, you completely twisted my words thus implying that since I don't believe these people care about life, I am thus justified in killing them because they don't care. <br /><br />1. Do you really believe that I don't care about human life? As evidence by my actions, which you have never seen and only imagine based on limited online discussions and your own personal bias against those like me?<br /><br />2. You would make a great politician. I am very glad I am not running for political office against you, you are savvy. <br /> <br />3. When I say that a society of people have no regard for human life, I do mean it I have seen it, they really exist no matter how much your liberal sensitivities don't want them to. They care about their own life, of course, and that of their family, tribe, clan, etc. But they don't care about yours or anyone else's that stand in their way of achieving their individual goals. Unlike you, they don't consider all life precise. But perhaps I misspoke, perhaps they do place value on life, or should I say, value on taking it from you if it helps them to meet their needs. <br /><br />No Charly, I am not a bigot for saying that. Yes, people are people. Our DNA is the same, however, genetics only accounts for a portion of our behavior. Environment is, in most cases, more important than genetics. This means that a society where someone grows up in can be completely alien to your own (absolute poverty, religion, culture, etc) , and that person can then be a completely different person from you in how they think, analyze, justify and rationalize. Now add some of the lesser human characteristics to stew, greed, selfishness, lust for power, pride. <br /><br />Claiming that these people are "different" is not being a bigot. It is an observation based on observed facts. I fully understand my biases and when I make these observations, I take efforts to counter my biases. <br /><br />Not liking someone because of their association with an organization or group of people, not liking someone because of an image that you've built in your head based on preconceived notions and a purely subjective view of their comments, that my friend, is bigotry.bgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-38776101531034563162010-01-12T17:46:29.103-08:002010-01-12T17:46:29.103-08:00Publius,
After eight years, my tolerance for apol...Publius,<br /><br />After eight years, my tolerance for apologists like bg is somewhat less than zero. His criminal culpability is for a jury to decide, but his dishonesty about all of this stuff is obvious. When he started in on how all these defenseless people that we've been murdering and terrorizing the last eight years don't care about life, that was the last straw for me. when these people start talking like that they sound exactly like Nazis talking about Jews. It makes me want to vomit.<br /><br />As for the chances in the Supreme Court, the case will be argued March 22, and we should get the opinion by the end of the term. I figure we have five votes assuming Justice Sotomayor goes our way. But they have a lot of options and concerns to juggle, so it's hard to say what they'll do even if the detainees do win. The only thing I know for certain is that the government's 'case' is completely fraudulent.Charles Gittingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669296162762355112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-28406169171574090822010-01-12T15:21:40.260-08:002010-01-12T15:21:40.260-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Charles Gittingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669296162762355112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-48339879281500171462010-01-12T14:44:49.388-08:002010-01-12T14:44:49.388-08:00PS:
I don't have any distaste for your role -...PS:<br /><br />I don't have any distaste for your role -- don't know what your exact role is, don't have any problem with the profession in any case. It's the dereliction of duty, incompetence, and war crimes that bother me.Charles Gittingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669296162762355112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-50542825076222002222010-01-12T14:22:53.997-08:002010-01-12T14:22:53.997-08:00Charly, more flies with honey, remember?
I don...Charly, more flies with honey, remember?<br /><br />I don't see Bg defending any criminal conduct whatsoever. And isn't it a fundamental precept of our laws and our society in general that we don't tar all with the same brush? <br /><br />My advice is to stay focused on the ones who've actually done the bad deeds. Bg isn't your enemy and, IMO, he's right about some of those other societies out there. Frankly, my friend, you're coming across as the classic Western liberal who finds any number of ills in his own society, yet is blind to those in others. For reference, I'll direct you to those members of the Western intelligentsia who decided that Joe Stalin was a better fellow than Franklin Roosevelt. There was no rule of law in the Soviet Union. Further, as one who's been around the world a few times, I'll assure you that there are other nation-states out there with no rule of law. <br /><br />It's good that we expect the best from our own, but we also need to realistically accept that we're not always going to get that. What's traditionally differentiated us from others has been our willingness to police ourselves. Where I share your disappointment is in the realization that this is no longer the case in many instances. Despite what I believe to be a well-founded grievance on your part, I'm also cynical enough to call your quest an extreme long shot, esp. with today's Supreme Court. <br /><br />Despite our PR, we've never been that nice a nation, but we're really not nice these days.Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06189226852559033120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-36059981160030626742010-01-12T14:18:12.561-08:002010-01-12T14:18:12.561-08:00Classy as always Charly.Classy as always Charly.Andynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-71777584040574799082010-01-12T14:06:16.169-08:002010-01-12T14:06:16.169-08:00No, we will finish what was apparently a complete ...No, we will finish what was apparently a complete waste of my time with this:<br /><br />BULLSHIT. The only thing you're working for is a paycheck you don't deserve.Charles Gittingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669296162762355112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-34956397280795248042010-01-12T13:53:17.636-08:002010-01-12T13:53:17.636-08:00And we will finish what was at times a good conver...And we will finish what was at times a good conversation with that. <br /><br />Charly, thanks for the reading assignments. I am looking forward to studying them in between some raping and killing, of course ;)<br /><br />DoD represents our nation and you as a society, which of course you know. Keep fighting the good fight your way, and I will keep fighting mine. I will give you this, your way, (legal action) has the potential for much greater wide spread change. My way, from the inside, will be much more localized and direct. We all have our roles, and despite your distaste for mine, I respect yours. Best of luck to you.bgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-86199860421221216642010-01-12T12:35:45.383-08:002010-01-12T12:35:45.383-08:00"I am shocked that you would defend the "...<i>"I am shocked that you would defend the "locals who obey their laws" in the FATA, in Somalia or the jungles of Colombia."</i><br /><br />Observations aren't defenses. I'm unaware of ANY human society that doesn't have a system of rules or mechanisms to enforce those rules. Indeed, even animal societies do. This is just one more case of you ignoring obvious facts.<br /><br /><br /><i>"Is putting AK-47's in children's hands not torture?"</i><br /><br />No, it's a federal offense pursuant to 18 USC 2442. Torture is under 18 USC 2340-2340A. That's Title 18, United States Code, section 2442. You can Google "18 USC 2442", the whole thing is on-line. I like the Cornell website.<br /><br /><br /><i>"Because their laws do no respect life. Period."</i><br /><br />Bullshit. You're an ignorant, prejudiced cultural bigot, QED. Why would someone suppose that you know their laws any better than you know ours?<br /><br /><br /><i>"So, what you are saying, it doesn't matter how screwed up the law is, those people are better than DoD because they follow their own perverted laws."</i><br /><br />No, I was pointing out that they're generally a lot more honest and conscientious than you and DoD. Like for example, why do you ignore and make excuses for the perversion of our laws by people like Cheney, Addington, Yoo, Haynes, and Gates, etc?<br /><br /><br /><i>I don't argue that because a society's system is different that we have a missionary obligation or even right to correct their system, I am just asking Charly is will admit that our flawed, imperfect system is still a better society than a society where brutal practices are enforced to perfection.</i><br /><br />Well I think you've things a little backwards, and my experience of you over the last five years or so indicates you have virtually no understanding of ethics or moral philosophy at all. That happens to be something else I know a lot more about than you do, so if you'd like to try proving what you say instead of just regurgitating prejudice and falsehoods, by all means proceed.<br /><br />And how many times do I have to repeat it before it finally sinks in? <br /><br />There is only one human society. What you call a sovereign nation is a sub-culture.<br /><br /><br /><i>I agree that we must be ever vigilant to protect our society from ourselves, but can we really say we as a people are worse human beings because of our imperfections? (again, I don't differentiate between DoD, civilian leadership and the people, so IMO, a knock on DoD is a knock on our entire system).</i><br /><br />Gee, I can't imagine what would make anyone worse than anyone else EXCEPT their imperfections, and I'm certain we all have some.<br /><br />The facts show that DoD is an organized criminal enterprise which tortures children and has murdered more people over the last eight years than any other terrorist organization. I guess maybe the lunacy in Darfur might come close in numbers, but DoD is orders of magnitude more dangerous. You people raped an entire nation, and speaking as a US Citizen, I regard DoD as a threat to public safety which is second only to the Republican Party.<br /><br />If you're actually interested in my view of things, you should read the amicus brief I filed one month ago in the Supreme Court case Kiyemba v. Obama, S. Ct. No. 08-1234:<br /><br />http://www.pegc.us/letters/kiyemba_cbg_amicus_20091211.pdf<br /><br />You should also read (or re-read) arts. 6, 7, and 8 of the IMT Charter (1945):<br /><br />http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/imtconst.asp#art6<br /><br />...and get something straight:<br /><br />Hague IV (1907), the IMT Charter (1945), and Geneva (1949) are the laws of war. It is a criminal breach of your military duty to commit, aid, or abet any of the acts listed in IMT art. 6.<br /><br />I don't recognize your moral standing as being superior to anyone. The crimes DoD has committed over the last eight years are as bad as crimes get qualitatively; the only real question is the exact quantity, but it's huge. See again IMT arts. 7 & 8.Charles Gittingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669296162762355112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-73363104776849312382010-01-12T10:14:36.681-08:002010-01-12T10:14:36.681-08:00Charlie,
I'm always amazed when people talk ag...Charlie,<br />I'm always amazed when people talk against teenage soldiers but never espouse keeping teenagers out of our military forces.<br />It's not ok in Somalia but it's ginger peachy in the 3rd Rangers.<br />Anybody in denial that we've tortured kids in our PWOT is living in an alternate universe. Pls notice that i didn't call it fantasy.<br />jimjim at rangerhttp://rangeragainstwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-22682725391814412242010-01-12T05:21:52.419-08:002010-01-12T05:21:52.419-08:00Al,
I think that was meant for me. I don't a...Al,<br /><br />I think that was meant for me. I don't argue that because a society's system is different that we have a missionary obligation or even right to correct their system, I am just asking Charly is will admit that our flawed, imperfect system is still a better society than a society where brutal practices are enforced to perfection. I agree that we must be ever vigilant to protect our society from ourselves, but can we really say we as a people are worse human beings because of our imperfections? (again, I don't differentiate between DoD, civilian leadership and the people, so IMO, a knock on DoD is a knock on our entire system).bgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-68958002694258880052010-01-11T21:29:42.948-08:002010-01-11T21:29:42.948-08:00Jim-
Just to make sure I understand your point pe...Jim-<br /><br /><i>Just to make sure I understand your point perfectly clear, if a society has a brutal, barbaric legal system with cruel and unusual punishments lacking any form of a fair justice system, but if this society follows this brutal law to the letter, this society is a better society than our own because at times we don't obey our own laws.</i><br /><br />No, it does not make it better, but the more important question would be if their cruel and unusual (from an outside view) punishment or lack of what someone else calls a fair justice system is grounds for ignoring their sovereignty. If a foreign country were to consider the US's abortion practices cruel and inhuman, would that be grounds for military action? We are on very shaky ground when we accept another country's solely internal affairs as justification for military intervention. Not saying you are doing so, but simply saying that this tack can easily morph in that direction. I weep over the way some societies treat their people. But sadly, if that treatment is within their legal and cultural system, other than intervening to stop genocide, I feel that only moral force is justified in bringing them to a more humane stance.Aviator47https://www.blogger.com/profile/05585964386930142907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-11785312998996064992010-01-11T19:20:37.118-08:002010-01-11T19:20:37.118-08:00Charly,
1. Now you are getting offensive, once a...Charly,<br /><br />1. Now you are getting offensive, once again accusing me as a member of DoD of torturing children and murdering people.<br /><br />2. I am shocked that you would defend the "locals who obey their laws" in the FATA, in Somalia or the jungles of Colombia. Is putting AK-47's in children's hands not torture? Do you know why a teenage age boy in a small skiff will risk his life to try to rob a ship? Because he doesn't have any reasonable expectations to live to manhood, so what does he have to lose? Because their laws do no respect life. Period. <br /><br />Let's talk about the laws in the FATA, such as sending a young girl to prison or worse for getting raped. <br /><br />So, what you are saying, it doesn't matter how screwed up the law is, those people are better than DoD because they follow their own perverted laws. <br /><br />Just to make sure I understand your point perfectly clear, if a society has a brutal, barbaric legal system with cruel and unusual punishments lacking any form of a fair justice system, but if this society follows this brutal law to the letter, this society is a better society than our own because at times we don't obey our own laws. (I don't distinguish a difference between DoD, our civilian leadership and our society, as I am sure you don't either).bgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-78986215097574453802010-01-11T18:35:47.262-08:002010-01-11T18:35:47.262-08:00bg says...
"literally is no law enforcement,...bg says...<br /><br /><i>"literally is no law enforcement, so what we would normally consider legal means isn't so easy or feasible. I would include Somalia, much of Yemen and even parts of Colombia in that lawless category. In much of these places, local tribes, militias rule the land based on anything except what we would consider the rule of law."</i><br /><br />Bullshit. I bet every one of those places in fact has some form of law enforcement, and that the locals obey their laws a hell of lot better than DoD obeys ours. <br /><br />Do you suppose they torture children like DoD does?<br /><br />Have they murdered as many people as DoD has over the last eight years?<br /><br />How can you not understand the hypocrisy of what you are saying?Charles Gittingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669296162762355112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-84605871365807727782010-01-11T15:44:21.789-08:002010-01-11T15:44:21.789-08:00Jim,
The 2001 AUMF is still in force and that'...Jim,<br /><br />The 2001 AUMF is still in force and that's what the current wartime legal powers are drawn from. The one for Iraq hasn't been repealed either.<br /><br /><em>It just ain't a war-as much as one wishes that it be so-it just ain't.</em><br /><br />Well, that kind of ties into my point. I agree this isn't a "war" in the traditional sense and I don't like the idea we're using powers designed for wartime to combat terrorism, but what's the alternative? Going back to the limited law-enforcement approach prior to 9/11 probably isn't politically possible and carries all the problems the Clinton administration ran into when dealing with lawless or semi-lawless areas. I think we need something in between and probably all that is required is some additional authority for a President to act against terrorists operating in lawless areas.Andynoreply@blogger.com