tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post2617366326973440156..comments2023-10-30T06:31:05.501-07:00Comments on MilPub: Betrayed by a kiss, saved by a kissFDChiefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-81973383080343298322010-04-05T04:46:43.438-07:002010-04-05T04:46:43.438-07:00Don't remember where I read that the Christian...Don't remember where I read that the Christian church spent the first hundred years or so fighting for exclusivity in the Roman state (which, as ours is supposed to be, was a polity that demanded political fidelity without caring about religious preference) and being attacked for such. After Constantine, however, the Church won the battle - it became the official religion of Rome - but Rome won the war; the Church lost its interest in individual morality and things like charity and poverty and became what most "churches" are, just another political player, desiring power and wealth and influence.<br /><br />The other two monotheistic faiths have never even really pretended to be about anything but the benefit of the believers - Abraham and Muhammad were tribesmen and their religions are and were the religions of tribesmen; comforting to those within the tribe, often merciless to those without.<br /><br />I honestly have no idea about the "real" Jesus. It seems unlikely to me that there could not have been a man Joshua son of Joseph that caused a stir in First Century Palestine. Was he a god? I have no idea. But I'm with Publius on this: the guy's message of humility, poverty and care for others has been pretty well lost to most of his official followers (that is, his churches, if not individual believers). He's had a lot of time to do something about that and doesn't seem to be interested.<br /><br />So you'll have to pardon me if I cherry-pick the message and pass on the religious Rotary Clubs. Like many human traits, religious faith seems relatively benign in persons or small groups but anywhere from moderately harmless to violently malignant in mass.FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-31682518191386446792010-04-04T08:36:12.923-07:002010-04-04T08:36:12.923-07:00Publius,
What makes you think that Abraham would w...Publius,<br />What makes you think that Abraham would weep.? <br />Wasn't this the guy that was willing to kill one of his sons???<br />I'm sure that killing was not an unknown for this guy.<br />jimjim at rangerhttp://rangeragainstwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-55692905521183688392010-04-03T16:36:56.249-07:002010-04-03T16:36:56.249-07:00sheer-
You could call it simply "post-modern...sheer-<br /><br />You could call it simply "post-modern spirituality" where each individual is free to find his or her own spiritual truth, as in "truth" as opposed to "Truth" from the smörgåsbord of spiritual "appetizers" on offer in the US and the West today. So why not a muscular Jesus ready to smoke the "evil doers"? Or even the ole religion, revival tent Jesus of lore threatening fire and brimstone in the "life" hereafter? In regards to religion today, the consumer gets to mix and match whatever they choose . . . kinda like the flip side of a trip to Vegas, but with spiritual fragments on offer instead of the sin(s) of your choice.<br /><br />Religion in the US has become essentially window dressing for consumerist capitalism; Christianity in this regard capitulated some time ago. Remember the old ethic of if you had two coats to give one away (Luke 3:11)? That has been replaced with, "if you have two coats go out and buy three more" . . .seydlitz89https://www.blogger.com/profile/15431952900333460640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-52985531768895109482010-04-03T15:39:27.755-07:002010-04-03T15:39:27.755-07:00Don't get me going on Christianity or any orga...Don't get me going on Christianity or any organized religion, for that matter.<br /><br />ISTM Jesus or Allah or Moses or Jehovah might have made an appearance sometime more recently than two or three thousand years ago, if for no other reason than to set certain criminals using their names straight. Where are they? <br /><br />Read our founders. One needn't be an adherent of any organized religion to still believe in a deity. Further, whether one believes in a specific brand or messenger, there is no question that all of the organized religions have a great message. The unfortunate reality is that these messages have been so perverted over the years to the point that we have:<br /><br />Terrorism in the name of Allah.<br /><br />Terrorism in the name of Jesus Christ.<br /><br />Terrorism in the name of Jehovah.<br /><br />Those three religions that sprang from Abraham aren't doing much for their adherents or the rest of mankind these days. <br /><br />Abraham would weep.Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06189226852559033120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-6889547161111548072010-04-02T23:28:48.276-07:002010-04-02T23:28:48.276-07:00Sheer-
Over the years, I have become almost accus...Sheer-<br /><br />Over the years, I have become almost accustomed to such extreme perversions (at least to me) of what I have concluded was the basic notion of Christianity. If there were serious agreement, there wouldn't be some 20,000+ separate denominations calling themselves "Christian" in the US, a great number of which claim to have an exclusive lock on the "correct beliefs".Aviator47https://www.blogger.com/profile/05585964386930142907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-29608959496087879592010-04-02T21:25:19.588-07:002010-04-02T21:25:19.588-07:00I note that the disciple *had* a sword. There was ...I note that the disciple *had* a sword. There was plenty of time in the previous 3 years for Jesus to say "sell your sword and give the money to the poor" or something like that.<br /><br />I figure Jesus knew he was going down, but didn't want to have all of his disciples killed with him.Aelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10788190394672505925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-68572136957578676522010-04-02T19:10:57.882-07:002010-04-02T19:10:57.882-07:00Having been raised a Christian, I'll agree tha...Having been raised a Christian, I'll agree that this is not the Christianity I was taught in Sunday School. Somewhere I missed the part where Jesus told us to kill our enemies. <br /><br />I wonder if this is what it looks like to moderate, middle of the road Muslims? Do the wacked out jihadi's look like Hutaree? Do the hate spewing imam's look like bible thumping preachers that advocate killing a doctor because he performs abortions?wourmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-86354168085333899212010-04-02T13:47:29.926-07:002010-04-02T13:47:29.926-07:00sheer,
I can't agree that their plan was terro...sheer,<br />I can't agree that their plan was terrorism.<br />Tell me how it fits that bill/description.?<br />They wanted ,allegedly,to do as you outlined ,but this is not terror-it is an act of illegality that has no victim beyond the immediate targets.<br />Or does it and i don't see it?<br />Insurgents, urban guerilas,criminals,militants-all of these describe the critters fairly well.<br />Why is everything terrorism these days. And you're buying the bill of goods.<br />As for Christ-nobody knows what the dude stands for. All we got is hearsay and won't hold up in court, unless it's a military tribunal.<br />I doubt if the dude ever walked the earth.<br />Happy easter.<br />jimjim at rangerhttp://rangeragainstwar.comnoreply@blogger.com