tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post1439480404802825990..comments2023-10-30T06:31:05.501-07:00Comments on MilPub: DisunionFDChiefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-44687712460965160932011-04-23T02:28:14.390-07:002011-04-23T02:28:14.390-07:00jim-
My late Uncle Vincent, a very astute observe...jim-<br /><br />My late Uncle Vincent, a very astute observer of the human condition often said, "Democracy is a form of government best described as self flagellation by people unable to realize that is precisely what they are doing. Thus, the most common reward from democracy is pain."<br /><br />Like so many things, democracy is highly over rated. As I watch people like Palin, Trump, Angle, Beck, Limbaugh, GWB and the like receive the adoration of the masses, I grow very weary of it, as, at least in terms of the current mentality of the population of the US, it has no useful future.Aviator47https://www.blogger.com/profile/05585964386930142907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-79981026107234326852011-04-22T11:39:29.959-07:002011-04-22T11:39:29.959-07:00@ Jim - "He , cheney and all are a symptom th...@ Jim - "He , cheney and all are a symptom that democracy doesn't work."<br /><br />I would say they're a perfect symptom of democracy. What is democracy? Its two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. <br /><br />"Democracy, too, is a religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." - H.L. Mencken<br /><br />"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William PittBrooklyn Red Leghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02649492866049982193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-75693498683716683602011-04-22T10:13:33.435-07:002011-04-22T10:13:33.435-07:00Al,
After thinking about my last cmt- i'll eve...Al,<br />After thinking about my last cmt- i'll even throw OBOMBA into my cmt about the shit rising to the top.<br />In reality what possible quals did he bring to the job????!!<br />jimjim at rangerhttp://rangeragainstwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-27721472372062285782011-04-22T06:06:28.683-07:002011-04-22T06:06:28.683-07:00Al,
Yeah, i heard of R. He , cheney and all are a ...Al,<br />Yeah, i heard of R. He , cheney and all are a symptom that democracy doesn't work. When shit birds rise to the top then all is in question.<br />If 1 man can short circuit the system , then democracy is belly up.<br />jimjim at rangerhttp://rangeragainstwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-24201785381253505492011-04-21T23:21:35.746-07:002011-04-21T23:21:35.746-07:00jim: BUT WHY DIDN'T THEY MOUTH THIS SHIT BACK...jim: <i>BUT WHY DIDN'T THEY MOUTH THIS SHIT BACK IN 01/02?????</i><br /><br />Ever hear of a guy named Rumsfeld?Aviator47https://www.blogger.com/profile/05585964386930142907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-58694659927516040132011-04-21T09:31:37.339-07:002011-04-21T09:31:37.339-07:00http://tinyurl.com/3qesnmm
There's still the ...http://tinyurl.com/3qesnmm<br /><br />There's still the war being fought here.<br /><br />bbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-40220433598575228322011-04-21T08:16:33.475-07:002011-04-21T08:16:33.475-07:00BRL, AND ESP Al,
All the arguments bypass the key(...BRL, AND ESP Al,<br />All the arguments bypass the key(strategic?) question-WHY. <br />All the dialogue misses this point. Innocent Libyans, if there is such a critter, is not a strategic US concern.<br />IMHO we need a balance here- Bush was too brash and Obomba not brash enuf. I say this b/c Obomba lacks the moral courage to extract us from needless wars. The fact that he's pussy footing around a 3rd cock up is my disappointment.<br />Al - i do agree that the military response is valid and doctrinally sound-BUT WHY DIDN'T THEY MOUTH THIS SHIT BACK IN 01/02?????<br />jimjim at rangerhttp://rangeragainstwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-92166353348429214012011-04-21T01:30:30.604-07:002011-04-21T01:30:30.604-07:00Finally, a Pentagon response that is doctrinally s...Finally, a Pentagon response that is doctrinally sound! How few have learned anything from Iraq and Afghanistan, but more specifically Iraq. There is a world of difference between "Regime Change" and "Regime Termination".Aviator47https://www.blogger.com/profile/05585964386930142907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-38285190471808059382011-04-21T01:03:49.150-07:002011-04-21T01:03:49.150-07:00Bah, I ain't no Birther. I maintain it wouldn&...Bah, I ain't no Birther. I maintain it wouldn't matter anyway because we have a SCOTUS full of spineless scum in faux robes of nobility that wouldn't overturn any bill he signed into law. The Birther issue is a distraction, just as the Truther issue was for years as well. <br /><br />Anyway, more 'good' news from the War Front courtesy of Huffington Post:<br /><br />"WASHINGTON -- After 26 months in office, President Obama still has not forged a smoothly working national security team that can both nimbly pounce on military crises and deftly manage festering problems, say current and former U.S. officials.<br /><br />As in previous administrations, much of the problem lies in the friction between civilians working in the White House and military officers and Defense Department civilians working across the Potomac River in the Pentagon. Senior officials describe the predicament as a "culture clash." The miscommunications and misunderstandings between the groups cause frustration and anger, which sometimes even leads to policy paralysis, officials say.<br /><br />One recent example of this dynamic at work is the Obama administration’s tentative, half-way intervention in the Libyan uprising.<br /><br />"It’s a mess," lamented a senior U.S. official. Washington took the bold step of committing military force, but not enough to win. The administration waited to apply very limited military force until it was almost too late, and now, the official says, it has painted the U.S. "into a corner." In the resulting stalemate, Libyan rebels and civilians are being ruthlessly pursued and killed while the United States, in effect, stands helplessly by.<br /><br />The White House wanted the Pentagon to come up with a low-cost regime-change plan for Libya. Ideally, this strategy would have toppled Col. Muammar Gaddafi without bogging the U.S. down in another inconclusive foreign adventure. And by no means could the plan have included young American infantrymen advancing under fire across the sand.<br /><br />The military kept insisting that no such option existed. A real regime-change operation, some officers argued, requires "boots on the ground." That was a cost the White House, given rising domestic pressure to bring the troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq, was unwilling to consider.<br /><br />In long meetings and email exchanges, arguments over strategic details often led to more serious disagreements, the official told The Huffington Post. The White House thought the Pentagon was disrespecting the president by refusing to propose a politically acceptable action plan, while the Pentagon became furious that White House officials didn’t "seem to understand what military force can and cannot do,’’ the official said."<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/20/obama-white-house-pentagon_n_851705.html<br /><br />Anyone NOT think Operation Odyssey Dawn is being run by the Keystone Cops?Brooklyn Red Leghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02649492866049982193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-22059075287975803892011-04-20T13:23:00.598-07:002011-04-20T13:23:00.598-07:00brl,
If you accept that OBOMBA is a SOB then the b...brl,<br />If you accept that OBOMBA is a SOB then the birthers have no firm ground to stand on since his momma was an American citizen.<br />I personally believe in free speech, but what good does it do to call him an SOB?<br />Is this proper and appropriate for gentlemen such as we?? Most of us here use expletives to a purpose, but i see none in this cmt.<br />jimjim at rangerhttp://rangeragainstwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-51170185784080688762011-04-20T12:48:00.302-07:002011-04-20T12:48:00.302-07:00Chief,Since war is about big dicks the question be...Chief,Since war is about big dicks the question begs- should we allow women in the military?<br />jimjim at rangerhttp://rangeragainstwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-60558669443826773042011-04-19T22:07:17.823-07:002011-04-19T22:07:17.823-07:00Andy: No argument there. I'm not holding up t...Andy: No argument there. I'm not holding up the Northern cause/motivations/actors as "good", just the South's cause as "evil". You can be "evil" and your opponents can just be "slightly less evil" (or, in some cases, "just as evil but not to me at this immediate moment"; see Stalin, Josef).<br /><br />And the Civil War was, as all wars are, about whose dick was bigger.<br /><br />Because it's ALL about whose dick is bigger.FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-54248665180661416172011-04-19T21:25:58.312-07:002011-04-19T21:25:58.312-07:00BRL - Kind of like Lincoln, huh??BRL - Kind of like Lincoln, huh??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-55764834769954271782011-04-19T11:09:21.989-07:002011-04-19T11:09:21.989-07:00@ Andy - "My reading was that the President d...@ Andy - "My reading was that the President didn't want to go into Libya, but when faced with the political cost of doing nothing and watching Qaddafi possibly butcher thousands of people and intervene, he chose the latter and has tried to keep US involvement to a minimum."<br /><br />Then the son-of-a-bitch doesn't deserve the job of President. It wasn't our fight, it wasn't our goddamn business and it was certainly about oil. If he's too worried about his ass being exposed for 'not looking tough', then he is NOT the kind of person you want in charge of US foreign policy.Brooklyn Red Leghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02649492866049982193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-86557664105469760532011-04-19T06:51:12.892-07:002011-04-19T06:51:12.892-07:00Publius,
You've touched the key point- the Nor...Publius,<br />You've touched the key point- the North had soldiers and the south had boys.<br />That sums it up.<br />jimjim at rangerhttp://rangeragainstwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-16104362095809838502011-04-18T21:01:04.675-07:002011-04-18T21:01:04.675-07:00Publius,
Yep, like all wars, it was about oil.Publius,<br /><br />Yep, like all wars, it was about oil.Andyhttp://organizingentropy.typepad.com/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-6011526380441811142011-04-18T18:56:10.445-07:002011-04-18T18:56:10.445-07:00Have you boys worked out what the Civil War was al...Have you boys worked out what the Civil War was all about yet?Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06189226852559033120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-26710523962944052472011-04-18T17:00:58.136-07:002011-04-18T17:00:58.136-07:00Chief,
Not really interested in debating the Civi...Chief,<br /><br />Not really interested in debating the Civil War again, <a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2011/04/why-did-the-union-fight/" rel="nofollow">but this might be some food for thought</a>. It's one potential explanation of many, but I think it's pretty clear that most northerners weren't fighting to end slavery.Andyhttp://organizingentropy.typepad.com/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-75968403942831268102011-04-18T12:37:11.457-07:002011-04-18T12:37:11.457-07:00bb-
If you read the Declaration of Independence, ...bb-<br /><br />If you read the Declaration of Independence, these rights are individual rights, and the purpose of government is to allow us to <b>pursue</b> them, not to <b>provide</b> them. It is the latter, providing for the collective well being, that is called "socialism".<br /><br />Contrast that with the differing concept from the British North America Act of 1867 which states that the government exists to provide "peace, order and good government". The collective well being is the prime objective.Aviator47https://www.blogger.com/profile/05585964386930142907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-49492351425059979752011-04-18T12:18:53.044-07:002011-04-18T12:18:53.044-07:00Aviator47:
The government was established to ensu...Aviator47:<br /><br /><b>The government was established to ensure the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.</b><br /><br />And now that concept is derided as "socialism" among many of us.<br /><br />bbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-76355138155993228622011-04-18T12:15:01.422-07:002011-04-18T12:15:01.422-07:00FDChief" And if we're that small, well.....FDChief" <i>And if we're that small, well...maybe we'll end up with a pretty small-souled country, as well.</i><br /><br />I think, ever so sadly, that we are damn near there. If the individual's desires trumps the collective well being, then our country cannot have much of a soul. The government was established to ensure the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". However, while this is defined as an individual "right", nowhere in the founding documents are we called upon to sacrifice for our neighbor to be able enjoy these rights. It was a dog eat dog culture from the very start. Just took a while for folks to catch on.Aviator47https://www.blogger.com/profile/05585964386930142907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-60092147341179190132011-04-18T12:13:41.792-07:002011-04-18T12:13:41.792-07:00My dad, originally from southern Georgia, has disc...My dad, originally from southern Georgia, has discovered that his local library offers ancestry.com for free, and he's been looking into our ancestry. It seems I'm the descendant of a slaveholder with several slaves and a sargeant in the army of the CSA.<br /><br />On my maternal side, a Captain Wilson was Union. So, how should I feel?<br /><br />Confused?<br /><br />:)<br /><br />bbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-27348683891356477052011-04-18T12:09:21.655-07:002011-04-18T12:09:21.655-07:00Ael:
I think the Battle of the Milvian Bridge wou...Ael:<br /><br /><b>I think the Battle of the Milvian Bridge would be very interesting. Particularly, for it's *ahem* downstream impacts. An emperor picking up a slave's religion? Who would have thunk it?</b><br /><br />I think a better "whodathunkit" in that story was the precursor to the "BatSignal", the Chi Rho flashed in the sky.<br /><br />Chief:<br /><br /><b>It would seem that not even the genius of the Framers could outwit the human monkey's natural talent for venality, short-sightedness, poop-flinging, and masturbation..</b><br /><br />Yes, and what do you think Ben Franklin's reaction to the state of the press and other media in today's world would be?<br /><br />Maybe throw up his hands, turn around, and become a British subject?<br /><br />bbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-37964158292868793742011-04-18T12:07:22.653-07:002011-04-18T12:07:22.653-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-381917167978264683.post-41451146902623565582011-04-18T11:56:43.001-07:002011-04-18T11:56:43.001-07:00"Or maybe not as it can tend to harden the op...<i>"Or maybe not as it can tend to harden the opposition when you tell them their forefathers suck."</i><br /><br />Like I said; having a grandpappy who marched with Stonewall Jackson no more makes you a racist prick than having a GroBvati who drove a tank for the 2nd Panzer makes you a Nazi bastard.<br /><br />But.<br /><br />You need to accept that granddad - nice a man as he probably was - was fighting for one of history's truly rotten, miserable causes. That he helped cause a hell of a lot of human misery for no good reason. And that, despite what he may have believed at the time and despite the rationalizations made for him later, he was wrong and he did wrong.<br /><br />That's different from "suck". That's not calling granddad a terrible human being. All sorts of decent people do terrible things for all sort of reasons that seem to them good at the time. But if we, their own descendents, don't own up to the badness of the things that they did, how do we prevent ourselves or our own kids from doing something just as evil? How do we even identify "wrong" from "right"?<br /><br />If slavery isn't wrong, if racial superiority (and the conquest - and extermination, in some cases - of "inferiors") isn't wrong, what are?<br /><br />It's like having a daddy who worked as a hit man for the Mob. He was your dad, and you loved him. If you're a smart person you can still love the dad, who may have been a great dad, and be ashamed of the guy who killed people for money at the behest of criminals.<br /><br />It seems an admission that we're not big enough to differentiate between the people who fought for the Confederacy (who may have been genuinely decent people) and the wretched, thoroughly rotten cause for which they fought.<br /><br />And if we're that small, well...maybe we'll end up with a pretty small-souled country, as well.FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.com